R-22 vs. ES-22a
Hello, new member. Question about R-22a is anyone using ES-22a? I need a charge is thinking about switching Split system 5 ton heatpump in Florida. Thanks for any input. R 22a?????????? ES22a????????????? Just where did you come up with that freon????? Any of the new freon is R410a that is out that I know of and that is a mix of two freons. switching Split system 5 ton heatpump in Florida. . Well first where are you down here . A heatpump here dont pay as you dont use it that much. Just the AC and strip heaters is all I have. Now R410a units are out and they work very good for heat and cool. but if you have a leak in them you do have to recharge the whole system you cant just put a few pounds of freon it it like with R22 and it cost a lot more for it. Now freon R22 will be around and made till 2030. So kick it all around how you want to go. ED Sorry if this is a bad post newbie here, just a consumer not a dealer of this stuff... I was looking for R-22 (I just don't trust too many people, a friend of mine works with AC unit's but do to Hurricane Charley he maybe a little behind in all his work) I heard about a new feron on a radio talk show / car repair shop that is Freeze 12 I never heard of this before either, but he talks about it highly. Looking for R-22 and seen this ES-22a, take a look see what you think the company makes that Freeze 12 also so I was looking to see what this may do with my AC unit? Lower head pressure cooler duct temps shorter run time, what the heck why not see this work. Just a post to see if this was snake oil or what. http://homerefrigerants.com/ http://befreetech.com/esmsds.htm This may give you something to think about. Sparks can make it explode and carbon monoxide can form. Like grandpa used to say...If it sounds to good to be true..it is. Well ok I'm no chemist but it all seemed to be safer then some other refrig gases used like R-134a not used in home AC as I know, but very common. You sure thats not the LP gas that some tried in the car's AC when they stopped makeing the R12. that was before R 134. If you dont think your new unit will make it to 2030 for sure go with the R410a. ED Is R410a more efficient then R22? Why is R410a used in new AC units, less ozone damage or what? Originally Posted by goofy8 less ozone damage Exactly right. Well I think we live in advance world (maybe the end of the world). So I think this is a new gas to try yes made from LPG (I think anyway) but not LPG. Sorry none of you's have tried it, none have send ya or na. So call me first I'm ordering it. They say dont try the LP gas in cars . so if you try it I guess it could be your end and home if you put it into that 5 ton. Now you know you cant mix freon dont you. R 134 is a safe freon to use but not in a home AC ED Ok, I hear your concern on Hydrocarbon Refrigerants. I did find this link that I found interesting..... Take a look http://www.macfreeze.com/referfacts.htm One concern may be the claim of much colder air from the registers. It may cause the evaporator to run at a temp. that is too low. If this happens, you will be freezing condensate onto the coil and icing it up constantly. I can't think of one good reason to mess around with it. Obviously if it carries the same placard as LP gas, it must be very close to LP gas. I know butane was used in a few blends but the boom factor makes blends like that undesirable. Manufacturers are very specific about what they want running through their compressors and some gasses will not carry the oil around as it should be. I view that refrigerant like I view the magnets you put in your shoes, the marketing is all that sells it. It can't make a reputation for itself and show up in supply houses. I'm surprised they didn't have the As seen on TV logo in the specs somewhere. Well I said more than I intended to but wanted to give a firm NAY. Ken KField, Your comment on refrig oil yes I don't want to harm a system, so this statement carried some weight with me. On the other hand (from link posted above) I found this to be very interesting I'm a little concern by the size of what I what to do (Home AC system) and the size of what they put it in (Refrigerator). Quote from http://www.macfreeze.com/referfacts.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------ All major refrigerator manufacturers in Europe have universally adopted hydrocarbon refrigerants. The refrigeration systems of four out of five of the largest UK supermarket chains have been - converted over to HC refrigerants with the obvious advantages of being recognized as environmentally I conscious, while energy savings have been outstanding. Chinese refrigerator design and manufacture is being geared to hydrocarbon technology instead of the American HFC chemical refrigerants. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- hi, i retro-fitted my 2-ton 5 year old armstrong to hydro-carbons[ES-22A]. worked great all summer long .[so far] oil circulation isnt a problem either according to armstrong. in fact mineral oil is very soluble in propane, but might pose a problem at high temperatures {check danfoss websites} the air temp. at the indoor coil is about a 21 degree split. i have a fixed orfice used 5- 10 degrees superheat. Why don't you use the R-22 it was designed for. There are no approved drop-in replacements. as regards no drop in replacements there is nu-22 is compatible with the mineral oil. but has to be charged and recovered in its liquid state because its a blend. energy eff. is about 10 percent over r-22. the reason i went for L.P. gas at the time was the smog police restrictions on purchasing ozone hole gases without a hvac certificate. on remodeling the house i had damaged the lineset and so went the hcfc . so being a diy i changed the dryer oil { the unit sat the winter exposed to the atmosphere } and went with hydrocarbons. but has to be charged and recovered in its liquid state because its a blend. Sounds just like R410a If you have a leak you have to recover the charge left ,out of the unit and put in a whole new charge so the blend is right. Then no one will take the old freon there. As far as the LP dont forget it will pocket some where and then blow BANG ED the reason i went for L.P. gas at the time was the smog police restrictions on purchasing ozone hole gases without a hvac certificate. I seriously doubt he would be worried where to put the recovered blend.
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